part of the resistance you are -- so much, many religions are based upon humans being different because we are self-aware, because we are the only ones supposedly can understand there is a past and a future and that we can reason. the reality is we now find many animals can do it. >> champ pans ease can reason and they know well what's going on in the past and they can anticipate the futuretion including a future in which they confinement. >> what about animals at nice zoos where they are kept comfortabley and pieces that are endangered and where the propagation of the species depends in many cases on these breeding programs in captivity? >> we are just talking about trained champ pans e right now who are in a private domain, in ma cement domain. >> is it okay to have them in a miami zoo or the san diego zoo? >> i don't know. i know that they should be in large social scrapes and cared for in a way that looks after their interests. >> that's the difference between a thing and a person. a thing is invezible and -- invisible and alive for the benefit of a person. a person lives for himsel